SANNINE-MZAAR-FAKRA-BAKISH 030917

Comments  (9)

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  Christian Holzl Oct 2, 2017

  PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE DOING THIS HIKE
  
  Hello Rami,
  Really a great hike, thank you.
  There is nevertheless a point I want to clarify: From the little black Statue of Mar Charbel to Mzar, you lead us 300m through the landmine area that is clearly marked (at the end) by collapsed metallic fences.
  Nothing happened, but to my opinion we should absolutely avoid this area.
  I recommend to avoid the black Mar Charbel statue, and directly go the Mzar from by the perpendicular road on the northern slope. Sorry Mar Charbel, and thanks for having protected us.
  No worries Rami, thanks for your hike.
  Best
  Christian
  
  
  

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  zahi.ramadan Oct 2, 2017

  Yes, it was a great hike. The mines issue was a bit problematic.
  Regards

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  Rami Rachkidi Oct 2, 2017

  Hello guys! I am sorry for the inconvenience you had but i want to clarify the "mines" problem. I know that the area from sannine to mzaar is not cleared from mines and i mentioned this in my review but when i was doing the trail and before taking the normal north trail to Mzaar summit, i met a couple of guys (from kfardebian) coming down from 'st charbel' statue side (they did jonction-mzaar cross-st charbel little statue). I asked them if it's safe to do it, they confirmed that this part was recently cleared after the installation of the statue (?). This is the reason i took this part of the trail. I cant be sure they are saying the truth but i have to ask the lebanese army, the only reliable source of information.
  I would like to thank you for following my trail and for clarifying this part of the route. I never mean to "lead" anyone to "dangerous" areas!! Posting some of my trails on wikiloc takes lot of time and effort but i'm glad to share my adventures with the outdoor community.

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  Christian Holzl Oct 3, 2017

  Hi Rami,
  
  No problem, I do understand your point. The track we talk about is only 300m and very close to the border of the zone. But nevertheless inside.
  
  The problem lies rather in the concept of Wikiloc. It is basically too simple to publish. Record, stop, publish, done.
  Zahi did the same error and I almost did.
  
  The issue is that the more we publish the more we encourage others to do the same. Until "boom".
  And even then the tracks stay available to the public.
  
  Wikiloc should implement a function "dangerous zones" where we could draw and discuss them .
  I addressed this issue on the Wikiloc forum. But as usual these hi-tech companies seem not to care much about feedback.
  
  Best regards
  
  Christian

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  Rami Rachkidi Oct 3, 2017

  Dear Christian,
  
  Wikiloc is FREE and this is the best thing about it! I am sure that lot of people around the world are doing more outdoor activities because of this amazing community. You can not "force" a free service to give you 100% exact info!
  
  Some of those who are publishing on Wikiloc (including me) are doing it just because they are outdoor enthusiasts and they want to share their experiences with other outdoor lovers! It is not about publishing more! Who is getting anything from publishing here? It's not a record, stop and publish thing like you said , it's about sharing some of the adventures we actually did! We are asking nobody to follow our trails here!
  
  When i follow a trail i don't know on Wikiloc, i don't follow it " blindly" and i follow it AT MY OWN RISK! I can clarify some info about it later but i can never blame the one who posted it (for free)!! (I would never tell him you lead me through a dangerous area for example!)
  If someone is not satisfied with the "normal" flaws of wikiloc, he can simply "find" the trails himself or pay a certified old guide to hike "safely"!
  
  Best regards,
  Rami

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  Christian Holzl Oct 4, 2017

  Dear Rami,
  
  The community is the tip of the iceberg. Wikiloc is a multi-million company.
  We enter the tracks. They consolidate the information and sell it.
  We are working for them. For free.
  
  Nevertheless, all in all this is a good system:
  The community enjoys the tracks.
  Wikiloc makes money out of it.
  
  But:
  What about avalanche zones, contaminated areas, minefields, shooting fields, etc?
  The system makes us act in a certain way. We follow others tracks. Most of us blindly. And we republish.
  Wikiloc facilitates this behavior. They push for it, this is their business: The more we publish the better they sell.
  And this implies a partial responsibility of Wikiloc in case of accident in dangerous zones.
  Unless:
  
  Proposed solution:
  Wikiloc should provide a function where users can draw the dangerous zones, discuss and adjust them.
  These zones should appear on the map. The discussions should be available by a click.
  Only then we could consider the user as fully responsible.
  
  I tried to get in touch with Wikiloc per forum and per e-mail.
  Until now, silence.

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  Christian Holzl Oct 8, 2017

  I have my answer!
  I got this message to a question I posted on the wikiloc Forum:
  
  From kaixi
  Hello,
  You can use waypoints to mark these areas.
  Thank you.
  
  So simple... let's do it!

• 
  Christian Holzl Oct 8, 2017

  Done: https://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=20136976

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  ehajj Sep 24, 2019

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